The Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate (BCP) in the Ukraine has demanded that all Muslim nations grant freedom of religion and worship for Christians in their nations before any more mosques are built.
In a dramatic letter distributed to all Members of the European Parliament, the Presidents of Europe and representatives of Christian Churches in Ukraine, the BCP spelled out the obvious hypocrisy of Muslim nations who demand the right for their nationals to practice Islam in Europe while rigorously denying Christians that same right in their countries.
The letter started out by pointing out that construction of a mosque in Kiev has “entered its final stage. The mosque has a minaret, prayer hall and educational centre.
“It has a capacity of 3,000 people. The foundation stone of the mosque was laid in 1991. At the end of 2004, Kievan City State Administration endorsed a resolution concerning additional allotment of land and building permits for the entire Islamic complex,” the BCP letter said.
“In the past, the heroes of the Ukrainian history – Cossacks – defended their Orthodox faith not only against the occupation policy of Polish Catholicism but above all against the incursions of the Tartars and the Turkish sultan. Today the capital of Ukraine has a massive centre of Islam in token of tolerance towards religious minorities. But we ask what tolerance do the Muslim countries show towards the religious minorities of Christians there?
“Examples from this year: A few days ago about 150 Christians were killed in Nigeria in a massacre which lasted 4 hours, and hundreds of other Christians are missing. In October, a Christian church was demolished in Egypt, about 800 km from Cairo, Egypt’s capital.
“In response to it, Christians participated in a silent demonstration in Cairo. The police opened fire on peaceful demonstrators. Dozens were shot to death and seriously wounded. The murderous events took place several days before the meeting in Assisi, where the Pope with representatives of Islam declared on oath that they would strive for justice, peace and tolerance.
“On New Year’s Day in Alexandria, Egypt, at least 21 Christians were killed and another 90 injured in an explosion, when they were leaving the church after the Midnight Mass.
“The entrance to the church was covered with blood and parts of human bodies. In Afghanistan and some other countries, ownership of the Bible carries the death penalty. There have been numbers of cases in Pakistan when the Muslims poured gasoline on Christians and burnt them to death. Such brutal murders are a common practice there.
“Justice demands that within interreligious relations Christians in the Muslim territories should have the same rights as Muslims have in the Christian territories. There is nothing to discuss, if the word ‘justice’ has its proper and true content. Therefore, before the grand opening of the Islamic centre in Kiev, the Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate appeals to You, Mr President and Members of the Government, to demand that the Muslim religious leaders fulfil the following conditions:
“1) They shall write a public statement to the governments and religious leaders of Muslim countries, including the requirement for the same tolerance towards Christians as is shown by the Christian governments towards the Muslims in the Christian territory.
“2) They shall apply to the governments and religious leaders of Muslim states for at least one Christian church with a capacity of 3,000 people in any of their capital cities along with a Christian educational centre according to the model in Kiev. Once the document is completed and practical construction of the church begins, the Muslims can start using the mosque in Kiev. In case completion of the construction is somehow prevented, or in case of any incident, the Kiev mosque must be closed within the bounds of justice until the international treaties and obligations are observed again.
“These are the principles of justice which alone can establish true peace and true tolerance. Everything else is just lofty theories, phrases and deception of the public.
“As regards the Vatican, the Western Church and Western European countries and their attitude towards the Muslims, we remind of the fact that there are more than 50 million Muslims in Europe today.
“In Germany, more than 3,000 mosques have been erected over the past 30 years. A large number of them have been built in England, France, Holland and other European countries. During this period, on the other hand, there has been much bloodshed in Muslim countries, the victims being Christians.
“ For instance, masses of Christians had to flee Iran where they had lived for centuries. We ask why international organizations like the UN, EU or COE have not imposed sanctions for such crimes against peaceful inhabitants.
“Why do the present-day supranational organizations not establish a fair principle: one mosque in Europe – one church on the Muslim territory?
“On the other hand, the Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate has to admit that Muslims in Ukraine, unlike the UGCC and RCC, oppose the implementation of the juvenile justice system as well as gender ideology promoting homosexuality and transsexuality. Ex-Head of the UGCC, L. Husar, along with the whole apostatical Catholic hierarchy openly approve of the sin of homosexuality.
“Dear Mr President, dear Members of the Government, we would like to ask You before the opening of the Islamic centre in Kiev to accept responsibly the two conditions proposed by us concerning the relations between Muslims and Christians on the principle of justice,” the letter concluded.
Andrew Brons MEP sent an email of thanks to the BCP upon receipt of this remarkable letter.
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Most people haven’t noticed the close similarity between Islam and Judaism. Both are tribal cults; both encourage lies to achieve their ends; both have ‘sacred books’ with translations and commentary firmly discouraged; both encourage distortions of history in their favour; both have histories of fanatical bloodshed; both treat animals badly; both regards women as second-class; both regard outgroup women as whores; both have left very little in the way of valuable achievement.
The main difference is that Islam allows easy ‘conversion’ – something I’d guess Muhammad or his advisors copied from Christianity – which of course allows it to expand at a terrifying rate.
We’re in a three-way war and must tread carefully.
Incidentally I’m amazed there’s anything left of the Byzantine Church!
John Locke in his Letter of Toleration (1689) said that only those should be tolerated who practise it themselves.
This would exclude Islam.
This is not intolerance by ourselves but pre-emptive defence! Better to use that and save toleration because under Islam there will be none.
Well done, let us use the E.U. where it suits us, for the moment. However the British Government should take the same attitude notwithstanding what others do or say.
Of course the limp wristed members of both houses will see that no such idea is even debated.
Are there any signs that Christianity is getting popular in Islamic countries and that there would be anybody to fill a “Church-for-Every-Mosque” programme in those lands on such a 1:1 basis? (As mentioned in the quote towards the bottom of the article).
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It is quite a forthright letter to emanate from any sort of official Church group – especially when one considers our own MarxBishop of Canterbury and others of his type in this country. However, whilst I fully support the exposure and comment on the double standards which are applied, I cannot help but wonder if there are any real ‘threats’ of Christianity booming in the Middle East on the same kind of proportions as Muslims and Islam are booming in the Christian West (no pun intended!).
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On that score, surely the problem in our lands are not the actual bricks and cement which make up a mosque, but the fact that they have the bulging demographics to command their building and sufficient numbers to keep filling them to capacity.
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There is the triumphalism and the ‘conquered’ statement of their presence of course – because they show that an area is now, effectively, going to be theirs and part of the Islamic world – but what is the likelihood of vast parts of the middle east becoming white, christian, and threatening to wipe away Islamic society in their cities and towns like the reverse happens here? And, even if this thesis was true, which I seriously doubt, how would it prevent our own country and wider Europe from being Islamicised in the future?
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On those kinds of levels, it does not really make much sense to me.
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However, if it means showing a little bit of force against Islamisation of Europe, shows opposition to building mosques, shows Muslims and EU leaders that we are not happy about these things popping up all over the place, not happy about double standards, and promotes the double standards as a reminder of how this tends to be a “one way street”, then good for them. On that basis, good luck to them. I hope it starts to cause a blockade on Islamisation in the Ukraine.
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I just had to remind people of the obvious, that it is not really mosques which are the problem. If we pulled down every mosque in Britain today and they prayed at village halls and at home instead, the future trajectory of this country is not really going to change. They would just build them when we are gone, or not in enough numbers to command a law on the matter in a democracy.
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Although I loathe the idea of having to abandon our traditional values, perhaps the only way is to do the opposite of the letter – and rather than get them to change their ways, we change ours to make Islam as hard to practice here as possible – citing that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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For the sheer bull-headedness sake of drawing a defensive line on the matter, they are quite right to throw this letter onto the table. Maybe through things like this, the Ukraine will not come to be seen as being a complete push-over like Britain. Good for them, because I suppose that is how the much larger rot of civilisational change sets in.
I think the penultimate paragraph captures the kernel of the issue.The esttablished churches in the white world have been so busy pandering to demonic PC demands that they have lost their true calling and therefore have no backbone to oppose other hostile faiths. Islam is the sympton of the true problem, which is self loathing induced by cultural marxism. We have truly lost our collective soul & islam is reaping the rewards.
Paul….Have a look at Christopher Caldwell’s book (Reflections on the Revolution in Europe) if you haven’t already. Its a great read from cover to cover and talks extensively about the moral and cultural and ideological vacuum which now exists in Europe into which has been ivited many millions of Muslims who are very sure of their own culture and ideology.
The good news is that Islam declines when there is a strong cultural force opposing it. I only wonder, would Islam be even a tenth of the force that is is today, if it hadn’t been for the corrupt Cultural Marxist elite? Would there now be churches in Saudi (or deposed Saudi family) Arabia if there was a strong Western world which had respect in the world and led by example? To what extent is fundamental Islam a response to elements of degeneracy in the West? Perhaps on that the jury will be out for a bit of time to come. A clash of civilizations or an all out war in the future need not occur at all; and Islam need not spread if we could simply stand strong to our fundamental values.
I share some of the same thought patterns as Daniel and Paul Rim on this matter, although I would go further and not just speak of the risk of fundamentalist Islam, but a wider change that can occur in a society like ours. I think that the Ukraine has a bit of “catching up” (so to speak!) to do compared to the kind of country we have become.
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We should all understand by now that there has been a purposeful assault on the pillars of traditional western civilisation – one of which has been the religiosity of our people and the undermining of the Church and traditional Christian values, both inside the church itself and in wider society.
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I would not say that I was particularly religious, and to be honest, I would not really relish the idea of some huge slavish return to it, especially as part of a party or movement within nationalism……but……when I think of how many societal norms and the whole sphere of “spirituality” and religiosity has been sucked away from our people since the second world war, I do not think it is all that unexpected to see a “replacement” for Christianity attempting to take advantage and position itself in the void left behind.
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The established church in this country even seem to have been hell-bent on helping them!
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Religion and ‘faith’ seems to be something that ‘some’ human beings need as part of their lives, and if one ‘entity’ is not there, they will probably choose another to follow.
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Some people seem like the ‘order’ of it, the rigidity of a code of life, a belief in a creator, something to have ‘faith in’ in hard times or whatever else. It has been part of humanity for so long that I cannot foresee a day when some form of “spirituality” or religious code is not around.
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Many ordinary people, including the cultural marxists, probably dream of a world without any such thing because it is said to cause so many problems etc (or just think it is plain silly) – but when it comes to Islam I think the ‘left’ have clearly misunderstood the nature and propensity of it. They cannot ‘tame it’ to be a vehicle of the “progressive-left” like they have done with Christianity.
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Of course, it is an unfortunate situation that the Islamic nightmare was let loose at all in our nation – but now it has been transported here into our nation, I think they have had the best possible playing field for establishing their faith and laying the groundwork for future plans. (This is despite all the negative media attention Muslims tend to receive, which Muslims would no doubt remark upon as to why I would be wrong on that view).
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I think that if Christianity was as strong as it used to be in this country – (such as when many children went to Sunday School, we did Easter Parades, when we had a “day of rest” on the Sunday and all the shops were shut and had more quality time with the family rather than taking skriking kids around ToysRUs etc and when we had much clearer expectations of society and behaviour) – then it may have been a little less easier for another system to come in and operate and establish itself as Islam has done.
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Perhaps even more so if we had undertaken a more “united face” as Christians an a forthright objection to the idea of so many Muslims coming here on that ‘religious’ basis alone.
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With our demise in religiosity, customs, etc coupled with an increase in a disgusting celebrity and consumerist society, attack on our general morality and manners (think binge drinking, drug abuse being much more widespread, a selfish and insular culture, an “anything goes” culture), well, what happens to people who do not want to live like that?
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What do people do, including our own youth, who do not like to be pressured into showing their knickers (and more) whilst blind drunk on a Friday or Saturday night, or having endless one-night-stands?
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What about people, especially young women, who are perhaps sick and tired of the endless conveyor belt of celebrity garbage and the pressure to buy designer clothes, sleep with their boyfriend/sleep around, take some drugs because “that’s what everybody else is doing”?
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What alternative culture/structure is out there for them? What ‘alternative’ is there which gains you some kind of “back off!” respect for when you reject this degenerate behaviour and want to show it?
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What if you could find something that meant people left you alone, had to respect your choices, where you would not be seen as an “old fuddy duddy” (as you would probably tend to get seen as if you said you were Christian and morally principled on those lines)……?
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We tend to see the “Islamic” problem as an immigrant problem, a non-white problem, because that is how it has traditionally been. But Islamisation of the nation is a matter which is separate to ethno-nationalism. For me, ethno-nationalism is of primary concern because a religious aspect and culture can always be sorted out later (our extinction cannot) – but we cannot assume that in the future “Islam” and “ethnic minority” will remain so vividly split.
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The extra dimension to the problem of the Islamisation of our country as a whole can possibly be defined as the potential threat of the next generation of indigenous youth to start rejecting the degenerate aspects of culture created by the liberal-left – and instead seek (in increasing numbers) to latch onto an alternative.
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This is perhaps especially at risk of happening now that over 33% of the under five age range are of non-indigenous stock, and they could therefore be fitting in with a new social order in the future.
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Many more thousands of our own indigenous citizens could theoretically become Muslims in the future – and this is a nightmare situation for obvious reasons, especially nationalists. We cannot rely on the Church to deliver the goods in order to prevent such a scenario happening. They are hopelessly out of touch and ideologically seem opposed to any such a viewpoint as ours.
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This is why our struggle is not just political. Somehow, it has to be societal and cultural at the same time. I think we have to provide an alternative otherwise there is a risk that another way of life will, in the future.
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I do not know how to do this, but I do know that nothing is ever two-dimensional and we need to think of these kinds of potentials, just in case they evolve.
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That concept of an ‘alternative’ is for the ones who may seek to reject what tends to manifest itself as the ‘worst’ aspects of our modern national culture………
…….but….in addition…what can we do to try to change large sections our own populace who actively enjoy and celebrate a degenerate hedonistic society, people with an attitude and lifestyle which puts our nationalist issues far, far from their thoughts and interests – a demographic which would reject being told their hedonism is not acceptable if we are to survive as a people?
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Like Paul Rim said above, we seem to have “lost our collective soul” as a society and as a nation. This has been achieved over the span of more than 60 years now. Unfortunately, we do not have the same amount of time to apply the brakes and put this into reverse, even if we were in a position of influence to do so.
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I wish I had the answers – but I have not got any solutions to this multi-threaded situation we are in. We do tend to see the bad side in everything, so perhaps things are not as bad as we sometimes think – but perhaps it is best to be on the lookout for how various situations could develop, and seek to make sure that they do not.
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